THE JOHN DOE TIMES
Volume V, No. 6
4 April 1997
In This Issue:
- BACK IN THE SADDLE AGAIN-- JOHN DOE TIMES RESUMES DISTRIBUTION FOLLOWING
EXTENDED TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
- WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE "SILENT" BROTHERHOOD? MAHON &
MILLAR RAT OUT THEIR EX-KAMERADEN TO THE PRESS.
- "CONFESSIONS OF A BOMBER": J.D. CASH'S LATEST BOMBSHELL ON DENNIS
- MAHON WAS THE TARGET OF THE "McVEIGH CONFESSION"
- MAHON ON MAHON, AFTER LEARNING STRASSMEIR WAS A GOVERNMENT AGENT: "OH,
SWEET JESUS, I'M F***ED!!"
- MAHON ON STRASSMEIR: SHOOT HIM IN BOTH KNEECAPS, ELICIT A CONFESSION FROM
HIM, HOLD A 30-MINUTE TRIAL AND THEN EXECUTE HIM.
- MAHON ON BRESCIA: "THE PRETTY JOHN DOE".
- MAHON ON THOMAS: "HE'LL RAT ME OUT FIRST....HE'S WEAK.."
- MAHON ON McVEIGH: "A GOOD SOLDIER..."
- MAHON ON PETE WARD: "ANDY'S SHADOW..." AND "DUMB AS DIRT."
- MAHON ON TONY WARD: "MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO GO TO BELEN, NM, AND GET A
PICTURE OF HIM, TOO."
- MAHON ON MILLAR: "THAT DUMB SONOFABITCH DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO KEEP HIS
- AND, "MISTAKEN IDENTITY" MILLAR, PROVING MAHON RIGHT, RATS OUT
FORTIER TO FOX TV NEWS CREW. (The thud you just heard was the government's "lone
bomber" case hitting the autopsy room floor.)
- DID MILLAR CLEAR IT WITH FBI AGENT "CHOIRBOY" KUKOR BEFORE
SPILLING THE BEANS?
- "Did you ever meet Michael Fortier?"
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Editor's Note: We are continuing to have distribution problems here at JDT,
some of them not entirely explained by pure misfortune. We hope to be back on
track with this issue, and to stay on the case and on schedule (such as it is)
for the future. Again, our apologies for starving our readers hungry for the
Copies of Stephen Jones' 200+ page filing of Petition for Writ of Mandamus,
25 March 1997, McVeigh v. Matsch, 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which lays
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"OH SWEET JESUS, I'M F***ED!!":
MAHON REACTS POORLY TO NEWS OF
STRASSMEIR'S REAL IDENTITY.
"Confessions Of A Bomber."
McCurtain Daily Gazette
1 April 1997
(No this isn't an April Fool's joke.)
(JDT Editor's Note: I received this story in two slightly different
versions-- the prepublication article and the final version in the paper. The
first was headlined: "Confessions of a Bomber"; the for-the-record
version that the citizens of McCurtain County read was headlined "Confessions
of a Revolutionary". I confess I prefer the former to the latter.)
"CONFESSIONS OF A REVOLUTIONARY"
MAHON: McVEIGH PLANNED BANK HEISTS, WANTED TO BE "PATRIOT HERO"
By J.D. Cash
(This statement by McCurtain Daily Gazette Editor Bruce Willingham was
printed in a sidebar box near a really great scowling photo of Dennis Mahon:)
Editor's Note on today's story: Mr. Mahon's response to today's story cannot
be printed here because most of it consists of four letter words. However, his
position regarding the publication of his various statements regarding the
Oklahoma City bombing and his associates' roles in it can best be summed up as "highly
Also, reporter J.D. Cash's role mentioned here-- appearing publicly with KKK
leader Louis Beam and writing for Jubilee-- has been controversial in national
news stories mentioning Cash.
Cash's double life in the underground movement while at the same time
writing for this newspaper is a story best reserved for a later date, but
suffice it to say the tactics are indeed unusual.
Also, the reason Cash provided a deposition concerning his initial interview
with Mahon was because the reporter witnessed a death threat and was thus
legally required to report the circumstances surrounding the threat to
JDT Commentary: As further evidence, if any were needed, that "the
Racialist Movement" continues to fall apart over Oklahoma City, we are told
by a certain three-letter network that Louis Beam has floated a proposition for
a "tell-all" interview in return for the network flying him and his
family out of the country. Costa Rica is said to be the country of destination.
Mahon has also told folks he would like to flee-- perhaps to Costa Rica as well.
A friendly JDT reminder to Beam, Mahon and any other neoNazis, Mistaken
Identities, or Crosseyed Kluxers who were involved in the Aryan Republican
Army/Oklahoma City bombing as material witnesses: you know, boys, there are some
very bad dudes down in Costa Rica who just happen to be more than a little
interested in Oklahoma City-- just ask erstwhile Arkansas gun dealer Mr. Moore.
They may not take kindly to "loose ends", particularly in a country
where, to paraphrase the Gestapo chief in "Casablanca": "My dear
Madamoiselle, perhaps you have already observed that in Costa Rica human life is
At the heart of an extensive and revealing legal document filed by Stephen
Jones, (JDT NOTE: McVeigh v. Matsch, Petition for Writ of Mandamus, 25 March
1997, see above.) attorney for accused Oklahoma City bombing defendant Timothy
McVeigh, the claim is made that Tulsan Dennis Mahon and mysterious German
national Andreas Strassmeir, plus at least four other "unindicted"
persons, likely planned and executed the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal
Building with the avowed intention of setting into motion a race-based civil
As well, Jones alleges the government had prior knowledge of the conspiracy
to bomb the Oklahoma City federal building yet bungled plans to stop it.
Also included in the defense petition is a tantalizing reference to an
intermediary who tape-recorded a message from Mahon to McVeigh.
I was that intermediary.
Regarding this, Jones writes, "A defense attorney has interviewed Mahon
and the defense received, through an intermediary, a tape recording that Mahon
had made to be given to our client. The intermediary felt that the delivery of
such tape recoding was improper and was concerned about its implications and
forwarded it to the defense. The defense did not know whether the purpose of
this tape recording was to encourage the defendant to 'sacrifice' himself for
the eventual 'justice' of the cause or was a subtle threat intended to remind
the defendant that members of his family were vulnerable."
Added Jones: "When the defense learned that Mahon and his brother had
telephoned Germany with orders to kill Strassmeir, the FBI was immediately
informed. Mahon's taped message goes on to say that Mr. McVeigh is 'innocent by
reasons of entrapment, but notwithstanding being innocent, he should accept the
sacrifice in order that justice may prevail.'"
For more than a year, a deposition containing sworn statements implicating
others in the bombing conspiracy has been under seal with the Denver court and
therefore hidden from public view.
That deposition reveals an extraordinary interview with a person who was the
target of the so-called "McVeigh Confession." (The hoax document
recently published by the Dallas Morning News and also placed on Playboy
Magazine's web site).
Until now, the target of the "hoax confession" has never been
identified by this newspaper. Nor were the means employed to obtain one of the
most startling, incredible admissions ever made public. Now that story can be
As evidenced by a tape-recorded message to McVeigh, White Aryan Resistance
(W.A.R.) leader Dennis Mahon was clearly confused as to this reporter's
sympathies and associations during our first interview on Jan. 21, 1996.
That's when Mahon not only implicated himself in the bombing but also two of
his closest comrades-- comrades that, today, are sitting in jail in Pennsylvania
for what the government says is their shared role in a farflung conspiracy to
rob banks in order to finance a race-based civil upheaval.
But even later, after Mahon learned the actual intentions of this reporter,
he continued to piece together many of the elements of the bombing conspiracy.
If accurate, they indeed reflect a complex plan which, Mahon finally admitted,
was designed to produce civil disobedience and to establish McVeigh as a patriot
martyr for the most radical elements of the international white power movement.
Considerable evidence tending to corroborate Mahon's various statements to
the Gazette are set forth in the defense's action filed last week seeking a stay
in the trial.
Contained within the petition are a host of items the defense says it has
uncovered-- evidence that attorney Stephen Jones believes could prove his
client's innocence while implicating Mahon and several other individuals who
once lived at or frequented a far-right compound in eastern Oklahoma called
The centerpiece of the 200-plus page document is an international conspiracy
scenario that the defense hopes will persuade the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals
that government prosecutors have failed to provide documentation exculpatory to
Jones alleges the Justice Department has ignored-- whether intentionally or
through negligence-- substantial proof that other persons may have perpetrated
In federal criminal cases, the government is responsible for turning over
evidence in its possession which might tend to prove the innocence of a person
charged with a crime.
Thus, by filing this 11th hour petition, the defense hopes the appeals court
will step in and instruct U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch to issue orders
requiring the government to provide evidence that Jones believes the government
is either hiding or has neglected to dig up.
Among the many allegations of impropriety, Jones asserts the government had "prior
knowledge" of the plot to blow up the Murrah federal building because an
informant at Elohim City, Carol E. Howe, told her Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms (BATF) handler before the bombing that Mahon and Strassmeir were
plotting to destroy federal buildings and installations.
Howe said one of the three possible targets Mahon and Strassmeir had
mentioned was the Oklahoma City federal building, where 168 persons perished on
April 19, 1995.
The McVeigh defense believes the government tried to disguise Howe's
identity and her information by "doctoring" documents in such a way
that defense computers could not identify and locate the critically important
information Jones says his client "desperately needs to defend himself."
Jones only learned of the existence of Howe and her work for the BATF at
Elohim City after the McCurtain Gazette revealed her undercover operation at the
1,000 acre compound.
On Jan. 29, Jones confronted the prosecution in Judge Matsch's chambers and
was told that buried among 211,000 pages of discovery material provided his
office by the government over one year ago, Howe's brief but potentially crucial
statements to federal authorities could be found.
After being provided the document's ID number, Jones finally located it and
quickly discovered that every single name contained in it had been misspelled--
and thus, couldn't be searched by computer with accurate spellings used.
In the petition, Jones claims the misspellings were deliberate.
"Defense counsel is convinced that the government has engaged in a
willful and knowing cover-up of information supplied to it by its informant. The
defense was unable to locate this insert using a computer because all major
search terms contained in the insert were misspelled. Elohim City was misspelled
or misidentified (Elohm City), as was Mahon (Mehaun), Strassmeir (Strassmeyer),
the Rev. Robert Millar (Bob Lamar) and in addition, Carol Howe was not
identified in the insert at all."
The series of mistakes explained why the defense's CD-ROM computer program,
which operates on a "key word index", could not identify the
potentially explosive evidence-- evidence that clearly indicates the BATF's own
paid informant believes persons at Elohim City plotted to bomb the Oklahoma City
The defense filing also accused the government of stonewalling earlier
requests for similar evidence of "prior knowledge" of a plot to bomb
the federal building because of "the bureaucratic instinct for
self-preservation and the institutional pressures for a neat and tidy conviction
in this case to ensure that, in the absence of coercion by this court,
information vital to the defense will simply never see the light of day."
Jones also contends that besides Mahon and Strassmeir, there could be as
many as four other unindicted persons involved in the bombing and further, "The
government possesses information which would shed light on the identities of
Employing brutal language, McVeigh's petition claims that Howe's information
"suggests strongly that the BATF, the most hapless and beleaguered of the
federal law enforcement agencies, may have had notice that militant right-wing
radicals had targeted the Alfred P. Murrah Building for destruction and botched
the interception of the plan in the finest Waco tradition."
Referring to Howe's recent indictment by a federal grand jury in Tulsa,
Jones wrote, "The defense believes that an indictment was obtained against
Carol Howe for the purposes of 'leverage' against her in order to keep her mouth
shut about what she knows about the activities of Mahon and Strassmeir.... The
institutional repercussions for BATF if Carol Howe is telling the truth could be
the death knell of that organization."
Jones contends that there is "a high probability, certainly at least a
high possibility, that Mahon and Strassmeir are part of a conspiracy that
planned to bomb the federal building, and may have in fact been part of the
conspiracy to bomb the Murrah Building."
Continuing, "Andreas Strassmeir's roommate, Mike Brescia, and two other
residents of Elohim City have now been indicted by a federal grand jury for 22
midwestern bank robberies in which false FBI identification and threats of bombs
were involved. These robberies, according to the indictment, were to finance the
Aryan Republican Army (which included as one of its members Dennis Mahon)."
WILL THE REAL DENNIS MAHON PLEASE STAND UP?
"Don't ever forget Bob Mathews and don't ever forget the 'Order'...
because that's what's gonna happen again soon.... It's coming again!....
Revolution is coming!.... It's coming sooner than you think!" -- Dennis
Mahon, July, 1991, Aryan World Congress, Hayden Lake, Idaho.
Were these only the preposterous rantings of a demagogue or the prophecies
of a madman with a plan?
Most of those who attended the 1991 annual gathering of this country's most
radical white separatists may have initially discounted what the 6'-1", 190
pound self-described revolutionary was saying.
After all, in 1991 the 40-year old Oklahoma White Knights KKK leader was
considered by many counter-terrorism experts (and even by some of his peers) to
be little more than a mouthy upstart in the white power movement.
A showman of sorts, Mahon strutted among the nation's most dangerous movers
and shakers in the terrorist underground-- individuals such as late-Grand dragon
of the Michigan Klan, Bob Miles, and former Grand Dragon of the Texas Knights of
the KKK, Louis Beam.
Eventually Mahon would forge an alliance with Tom Metzger's White Aryan
Resistance (W.A.R.)-- an incredibly violent international group of skinheads,
who regularly make the police blotters for a variety of race-based crimes.
During the late '80s and into the '90s, Mahon exhibited a yearning for media
attention as he travelled the U.S., Canada and Germany organizing "cross
lightings" and making speeches that were so incendiary that he was
subsquently banned from both Canada and Germany.
However bold the words, though, Mahon's very public bravado was not
suspected of being translated into violent action against the system.
In a word, Mahon was labeled a "talker" by some important members
of the various shadowy underground hate groups which dot the global landscape.
That label dogged Mahon until a hellish blast decimated the Oklahoma City
federal building on April 19, 1995.
Several months after the bombing, this newspaper received a tip through an
intermediary who had a source at Hayden Lake, Idaho (home of the Aryan Nations)
claiming Dennis Mahon was one of the ring leaders in the group that bombed the
At the same time that information being developed, it was discovered that
Mahon had ties to a mysterious figure who, for three years, lived at Elohim
That man, Andreas Carl Strassmeir, a former officer in the German Army with
close connections to the Kohl government, had forged a friendship with Mahon
after taking over the job of weapons and security consultant at Elohim City.
Deepening the interest in Strassmeir was information received from a McVeigh
defense team investigator, who revealed it was Strassmeir that McVeigh admitted
calling Elohim City for on April 5, 1995, leaving a message with a woman, saying
"Tell Andy I'll be visiting soon."
Subsequently, Joan Millar, the daughter-in-law of the Rev. Millar (founder
of Elohim City), admitted to the FBI that she was the person McVeigh spoke with
The call to Elohim City is considered particularly damning for two reasons:
(1) It was made from a motel room in Kingman, Ariz., that was registered to
(2) And the call occured only seconds after a calling card linked to McVeigh
and co-defendant Terry Nichols was used to phone a Ryder truck rental
establishment in Arizona.
Based upon these facts, in December, 1995, a member of the McVeigh defense
team arranged for an interview with Strassmeir, who had left Elohim City in
August and was living in Black Mountain, N.C.
During the interview, Strassmeir admitted several things of interest,
including the unsettling fact that he had Timothy McVeigh's "Desert Storm"
battle fatigues and had removed, then destroyed, the name tag stitched to the
shirt immediately after learning of McVeigh's arrest.
That interview persuaded McVeigh's investigator to track down Mahon.
In mid-January 1996, the investigator met with Mahon at the office of a
Tulsa attorney who represented the W.A.R. leader.
On January 20, this reporter also contacted Mahon and established a time to
meet the following day.
Arriving at Mahon's residence that he shares with his twin brother Daniel,
Dennis Mahon was first shown a newspaper popular among members of the Christian
Identity religion, called Jubilee.
A full page ad was pointed out to Mahon that showed this reporter's
photograph along with Aryan Nations' guru and frequent Jubilee contributor,
Louis Beam. Mahon was clearly impressed when it was explained that I would soon
be visiting with Beam at Lake Tahoe where a conference was to be held.
Next, Mahon was shown a letter from the Jones law firm, granting this
reporter permission to meet with McVeigh at the El Reno federal prison, on Feb.
13, for a "special visitor" interview.
Immediately, Mahon settled on his sofa and asked, "Why are journalists
beginning to recognize and report that there are other persons involved in the
bombing of the Murrah Building?"
Incredulous, he added, "For the longest time it seemed like everyone
had walked away from that information, from that understanding, so why is this
Ingoring the question, this journalist said, "You have no idea how much
trouble and negative reactions have resulted because the building was blown up
during the day... and with a day care center, no less.... Why wasn't the IRS
building blown up at night?"
Mahon's answer is summarized in a sealed deposition taken on March 26, 1996:
"And he (Mahon) indicated that the reults of the bombing were not as he
anticipated. He felt like this would cause a coming together of radicals around
the country who would begin a campaign of terrorism. In retrospect, he feels
like the IRS building should have been bombed instead of the Murrah Building and
probably should have been bombed at night. The day care center and the killing
of the children was having a negative effect."
With Mahon apparently believing that this reporter was connected to the
neo-Nazi movement because of articles that had appeared in Jubilee, I predicted
to him that McVeigh was going to "go down quietly" but suggested there
was a very real problem. I then said that my information was that Strassmeir was
suspected of being a German intelligence officer and still connected to the
Summarized in the deposition is Mahon's reaction to the news "He went
pale and screamed."
What is not reflected in the deposition is the colorful and vivid account of
the unforgettable (and comical) moment when Mahon hauled his giant frame from
the sofa, then gazed at the ceiling and wailed, "Oh sweet Jesus, I'm
Completely overwhelmed, Mahon next began pacing the room, shaking his head
and saying, "I can't believe it... not Andy... God, no.... It can't be
As reported in the deposition, Mahon's next statements are noted:
"He then within a few minutes started discussing how important it was
to get ahold of Mark Thomas, who is an Aryan Nations official in Pennsylvania,
and Mike Brescia, who at that time I understood was staying at Mark's farm,
which is outside Philadelphia, Penn."
"He indicated to me that they were deeply involved. He indicated that
Mike Brescia was the person that we refer to as the pretty John Doe (No. 2)--
the younger one with the pugnose that is in the sketch. I think there are two or
three different sketches. He has all the features and so forth. He wanted even
to show me a film with him on it but he was never able to find anything."
Grabbing the phone, Mahon then nervously dialed. When a connection was made
to Thomas' farm, he stuttered, "I am here with a friend of Louis Beam's and
he says we've got real trouble.... Strassmeir could be a snitch... he may be
government! We need to come see you and Mike."
Thomas was very upset that we were even having the conversation. He didn't
understand why we were talking. But I asked him if he had been at Elohim City
about the time of the bombing. Thomas indicated he had been there the weekend
before the bombing.
I said, "Well, then you must have stayed for Snell's funeral"
(which occurred immediately after the OKC bombing). He got nervous.
"No, no, I didn't stay for the funeral... Let me talk to Dennis."
DEATH THREAT ON STRASSMEIR
Although his brother was periodically drifting in and out of the room,
trying to allay Mahon's fears of impending doom, soon both were on the line with
a person in Germany.
The call is described in the deposition:
"The gist of the conversation was they (Mahon and his brother, who was
acting as interpreter) wanted Andreas Strassmeir checked out, they wanted to
find out if Andreas Strassmeir could be an agent for the German government. They
said that Andreas Strassmeir had once been friend and once been a very good
friend, but if it turned out that Andreas Strassmeir had double-crossed them,
then he (Dennis) wanted to hold a 30-minute trial-- Let me back up-- He wanted
Andreas shot in both kneecaps and a confession elicited from him, then hold a
30-minute trial and then execute him."
Next, Mahon agreed to make a tape recording for McVeigh-- and wanted me to
take it to him in prison.
On the tape, Mahon initially explains to McVeigh that I was a reporter for
Jubilee. Then he adds, "Tim, I want to thank you for 'hanging-tough'"
(jail house slang for taking all the blame for a crime while not exposing any
other participants). "I believe you are innocent because of entrapment. I
believe you have been set-up!"
Tapping McVeigh's "hot buttons," Mahon told McVeigh, "I do
believe this government is the most evil government on the face of this earth. I
believe they massacred those people at Waco. I think every federal agent there
should be tried for murder. I believe every agent at Ruby Ridge should be tried
for accessory to murder. And I believe Lon Horiuchi... the... HRT... sniper...
should be tried for murder."
Twice near the end of the tape recorded message, Mahon firmly reminds
McVeigh to "hang tough." Then Mahon urges him to "remember all
the good soldiers who have fallen on the field of battle in their fight for the
cause.... Justice will be done, Tim."
Before concluding the interview, this reporter commented to Mahon: "There
are people at Aryan Nations at Hayden Lake who have fingered you as an important
part of the conspiracy."
The deposition details Mahon's shock:
"That's why Metzger (head of W.A.R.) has cut me off."
"What do you mean? I asked.
"Two weeks ago, Metzger called me and he said 'We will not have any
more conversations, any contact, telephone or otherwise until I let you know.
You are hot right now."
A TRIP TO THE MOUNTAINS
Several months passed before substantial contacts were made with Mahon again
by this reporter.
During the spring and summer of 1996, witnesses were located in Kansas and
Oklahoma that had already told the FBI of McVeigh's associations with Michael
Brescia and Andreas Strassmeir, thus Mahon's incredible admissions of Jan. 21
had a ring of truth.
Beginning with a mid-summer call from a victim in the bombing, asking for a
meeting with Mahon, the shaken voice on the other end of the tape-recorded call
When it was explained that the victim believed Mahon had important
information concerning the bombing, he said, "You need to talk to
Strassmeir.... Andy knows.... Andy knows everything!"
A few days after the call, this reporter began a regular dialogue with
Mahon. During the course of the next several months, many hours of interviews
were conducted in Tulsa, McCurtain County and over the phone.
Much of the information imparted dealt with with activities of people who
had moved in and out of Elohim City and the various criminal enterprises that
took place there.
The problem with such information, though, is that Mahon wafts between
multiple personalities that occasionally spout pure fiction designed to
disseminate disinformation or aggrandize his life's unusual accomplishments.
But many pieces of Mahon's information were checking out, so the dialogue
was continued. In the early fall of 1996, Mahon travelled from Tulsa in his
pickup/camper and stayed at my home for three days.
During that period, Mahon appeared much more open, almost relieved to
discuss various facts about the Aryan Republican Army and its members.
JDT Commentary: "STOP ME BEFORE I BOMB AGAIN!"
Stark reality seemed to be having an effect on him, as the authorities had
arrested four members of his gang for bank robbery and the arrests of two more
alleged gang members, Mike Brescia and Mark Thomas, were on the horizon.
But the most alarming to Mahon was that one of the A.R.A. members, Kevin
McCarthy was cooperating with authorities and another member, Richard Guthrie,
had made a plea bargain and had made statements to authorities before being
hanged in his jail cell. Thus, by October, Mahon saw his world closing in.
"Every day," Mahon told me, "the feds put another fence post
around me.... It won't be long before I go down with the rest of the guys."
Sitting in my living room one evening, Mahon sipped 100 proof vodka and
lamented, "When they arrest Mark Thomas... he'll rat me out first, I know
him too well.... He's weak. Mark has a thing for young girls and he won't like
spending the rest of his life locked up with a bunch of nigger boys."
When asked if Thomas would implicate him in just the bank robberies, Mahon
shook his head and said, "No... he'll nail me for everything... everything."
During the surreal and often comical three days the White Aryan Resistance
leader spent in McCurtain County, the man listed by European authorities as an "international
terrorist" took time out to defrost my refrigerator, clean two VCRs,
replace some burned-out light bulbs and intermittently complain about what a
poor a housekeeper I was.
In the evenings we would take Jeep rides in the mountains, drinking beer
while Mahon recounted various tales such as his favorite abortion clinic
bombings and ingenious plans he had worked out for an armored car heist.
Mahon was, in a word, reminiscent. And, with most of his friends in jail or
hiding out, lonely.
Taken by the fall scenery, Mahon quickly fell in love with the lightly-
populated northern end of the county.
"This is an Aryan paradise," he often commented.
Poring over several scrapbooks he had brought for me to see, the W.A.R.
leader took time to explain the history of the Klan and Aryan Nations movement
around the globe. His stories were detailed and enlightening.
Letters from members of the neo-Nazi movement throughout the United States,
Canada, Europe, South America, Australia and the Phillipines established his
international recognition and credentials.
Often displaying photographs of the leaders of the various organizations,
Mahon, sometimes near tears, described his associations with various
high-profile members of the movement that he used to meet with and scheme no
telling what. Those were the heady days for the aspiring revolutionary.
In great detail, Mahon described how the leadership's tactics had evolved
from marching around in robes and lighting crosses to today's underground cell
structure which is far more violent and secretive.
Clearly sensing the end of his freedom was imminent, Mahon hammered at a
phrase that he wanted me to remember: "Revolutionaries are not born... they
Pushing across a copy of his resume, he explained, "I've served my
country in the Navy and I've been to college. I've worked for all those airlines
as a mechanic and I was about to be married to a girl when I got fired because
of what I am... Like the nigger. I lost my girl and no I have no family...
Looking over his resume, Mahon became more specific about his role with the
A.R.A. and said that the Aryan Republican Army was a rebirth of the "Order"--
a group and a theology his hero Bob Mathews had formed and then died for more
than a decade ago.
Mahon's gang was made up of some 20-21 persons, operating in cells of three
to five, and the plan was as straightforward and violent as Mathews' was: Rob,
pillage and murder in the name of the white race and the coming revolution.
The nucleus of the group was formed around a bank robbery cell whose members
were now rapidly ending up in prison.
Eventually, Mahon admitted that the most noteworthy member of the A.R.A. was
the young man, Timothy McVeigh.
Mahon said that McVeigh, a former armored car driver, helped plan some of
the bank heists.
Incredible, a few months later, Mahon's statements were borne out when this
reporter discovered McVeigh's own sister on May 2, 1995, made a sworn statement
to the FBI where she gave many of the same facts.
In an eerie but frank conversation, Mahon described McVeigh as a "good
soldier, who from the beginning wanted to be the fall guy in the bombing--
securing his place in history as a patriot hero."
Then, shown an artist's sketch done by ABC News of the person that a witness
in Kansas said used the name of Bob Kling (the name used to rent the bomb-laden
Ryder truck) and who accepted a delivered food order at the same room rented to
McVeigh at the Dreamland Motel, Mahon didn't hesitate, "That's Pete Ward."
"Ward," Mahon explained, "was known at Elohim City as 'Andy's
shadow'...Ward went everywhere Strassmeir did and is dumb as dirt."
Did Pete ward rent the Ryder truck in Junction City?
"Well," Mahon smiled, "you know his brother, Tony, has a
pocked complexion... Maybe you ought to go to Belen, N.M., and get a picture of
Who built the bomb?
Looking over a series of photographs of the blown-out nine-story federal
building, Mahon peered up, "I'll tell you who didn't build that bomb-- Tim
or Terry. Hell, they don't know the first thing about how to build what did
Finally, one day I told Mahon how I first learned of his relationship with
McVeigh and another important tidbit.
"Rev. Millar told me a year ago that you used to bring McVeigh down to
Elohim City to use the gun range. He also told me on tape that Brescia helped
with the Hot Springs gun robbery of Roger Moore...."
"Oh, that son-of-a-bitch.... that dumb son-of-a-bitch doesn't know when
to keep his mouth shut!"
Such is the stuff of Dennis Mahon.
END OF STORY
MILLAR COLLAPSES GOVERNMENT'S CASE AGAINST McVEIGH BY PLACING THEIR STAR
WITNESS FORTIER AT ELOHIM CITY!!
TRANSCRIPT: KOKH, OKLAHOMA CITY, OK
2 APRIL 1997
Reporter: Has anything good come out of the Oklahoma City bombing?
Robert Millar, Elohim City leader: "I think that severeal things have
happened that are positive, which does not justify it in any way."
ANCHOR: Tonight, the self-proclaimed leader of Elohim City speaks out about
his white separatist movement and its possible link to Oklahoma City bombing.
Topping news tonight, new information on separatists in eastern Oklahoma and
their possible connection with the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building. Rita
Cosby got unprecedented access to Elohim City. Rita joins us now. Rita, why do
you think the leader of this group finally wanted to talk to somebody in the
media at such length?
Reporter: Jack and Kirsten, it's no secret that Reverend Millar distrusts
and dislikes the media. But he told me he felt Fox would give him a fair shot.
He also believes that with so many questions swirling around Elohim City, it is
time to try to tell all. Some of the key elements of our interview were what
Robert Millar says about the government's star witness, whether any good came
from the bombing, and what he thinks should happen to however's responsible.
This shadowy community allegedly tied to the Oklahoma City bombing is called
Elohim City, named after the Hebrew word for God. But the community's philosophy
is not always peaceful. This remote area in eastern Oklahoma will be pivotal in
the bombing trial as McVeigh's attorneys try to plant doubt by telling the jury
that two people could not have carried out the bombing alone. Robert Millar is
the self-proclaimed reverend and leader of this tiny enclave that he established
26 years ago. For the first time, he says the government's prime witness against
Timothy McVeigh could have been inside Elohim City around the time of the
Reporter to Millar: Did you ever meet Timothy McVeigh?
Reporter: Did you ever meet Terry Nichols?
Reporter: Did you ever meet Michael Fortier?
Millar: He might have been here for two or three days. I can't answer you.
Reporter: Do you know when that was? Was it before the bombing?
Millar: I would think it would be before the bombing or shortly after. Right
in that time frame.
Reporter: Michael Fortier, a former Army buddy of Tim McVeigh, is the
government's star witness. Fortier will testify that he knew McVeigh was
planning to bomb the Murrah Building. The two people Revernd Millar believes met
with Fortier here on the compound are Andreas Strassmeir, known in America as
Andy, and Michael Brescia, who at the time were rooming together at Elohim City.
A former government informant and a consultant for McVeigh's defense team say
they are certain Brescia is John Doe Number Two. John Doe Number Two is the man
several witnesses say was with McVeigh near the blast site. Strassmeir's
background remains a mystery. He is a German national with alleged neo-Nazi
Millar: Andy could have been doing a lot of things I wasn't aware of and so
could the chap he roomed with, Michael Brescia. They could have been doing a lot
of things that I don't know anything about.
Reporter: Millar's personal view is that the Oklahoma City bombing was a
Millar: It's a terrible thing to see women and children murdered. Words
can't describe it. It's appalling. It's unthinkable.
Reporter: What about the federal agents that were killed in the bombing?
What do you think of that?
Millar: Not only from a moral viewpoint of killing somebody, but from a
standpoint of strategy of patriots, for people that are patriots, for the
patriotic movement, there is no conceivable advantage to killing a few
government agents. What do you accomplish? Nothing positive. And federal agents
have wives and children and grandchildren, just the same as we are. Who wants to
be involved in that kind of thing?
Reporter: What do you think of Timothy McVeigh?
Millar: I don't know anything about him.
Reporter: If he's guilty of the Oklahoma City bombing, what do you think of
Millar: If he's guilty, I would call that murder. I would like a thorough
examination, but I do believe that the death penalty for murder is a viable
sentence, and acceptable sentence.
Reporter: Is there any Middle Eastern connection to Elohim City?
Millar: No, not that I can even dream of.
Reporter: Was there any good that came out of the Oklahoma City bombing? Any
good message that could have come out of that?
Millar: I think that several things have happened which... that are
positive, which does not justify it in any way. But I think the groups inside
law enforcement cliques that were pushing for a confrontation with the patriotic
people. I think they have changed their methodology. I don't think they're
attempting to provoke an overt confrontation any longer. That's number one.
JDT Commentary: That just goes to show how far removed from reality Millar
Number two, strangely enough, the attitude of the public across America who
I come in contact with are far more supportive of us than they were before.
JDT Commentary: Yes, Millar, you're quite well thought of in neo-Nazi
terrorist circles, but why don't you take a poll of the rest of us citizens and
ask us what we think of you neo-Nazi Switzerland you're running there.
ANCHOR: Rita, we saw in the story that you had no shoes on. What was the
reason for that?
Reporter: He believes that all four hundred acres in this compound are
hallowed ground, and he said it was disrespectful to wear shoes in a home for
religious reasons but also that it should not bring any dirt into the home, that
it was a burden for the women who clean the home.
ANCHOR: In your transcript, I read he talks about Waco and how some people
think Waco was the motive for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Reporter: Millar was very against Timothy McVeigh if he committed the
Oklahoma City bombing. But he says militia groups should have been involved with
the Waco seige. He believes that they should have come in armed-- he mentioned
semi-automatic weapons-- and fought off the ATF agents that were "mercilessly
keeping these people under seige." On one hand, he's saying violence is
bad, but on the other hand he says violence is good if used in certain cases.
END OF TRANSCRIPT.
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