So why do we face economic collapse?
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Jun 5, 2025
Conversation about the impending economic collapse, and what are our options to deal with it. For more see http://constitution.org
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so why do we face economic collapse we
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are consuming more than we produce how
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can that be hasn't everything consumed
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already been produced by someone no
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because production must also include
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production of a surplus to be paid as
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interest dividends or rent doesn't that
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only apply to consumption on credit yes
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but most consumption today is based on
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credit even if the consumer pays cash
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the producer has probably had to borrow
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or sell stock to finance the production
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but why should production and
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consumption collapse if interest isn't
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paid because those who can produce won't
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produce as much if the most they can
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earn is the profit on a sale that is all
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cash so what would happen if there were
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no more credit or investment and we went
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to an all cash economy that is what
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actually happens in underdeveloped
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countries the lack of credit or
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investment is why they are
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underdeveloped so are we now going to
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have to do without credit and investment
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and become an underdeveloped country not
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completely but after a runaway debt
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spiral there may be no effective way to
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walk it back to a safe level so is it
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possible to return to a safe level yes
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in principle but it would require more
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discipline on the part of almost
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everyone than even the most brutal
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dictatorship has ever been able to
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achieve and planning that is far beyond
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human competence can't the credit Market
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regulate itself yes yes and it is
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actually doing that except that National
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governments are interfering so would the
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credit markets gracefully dial back the
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economy if governments didn't interfere
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no because the markety after the runaway
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will regulate by wiping everyone out the
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market does not necessarily regulate in
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a way that leaves any survivors the
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North African desert is the result of a
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kind of Market the ecosystem left to
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seek equilibrium the Invisible Hand can
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reach out and Crush everyone you've got
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to be [ __ ] me no [ __ ] in your
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pants is what everyone is going to be
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doing when the big adjustment comes at
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this point there seems no way to avoid
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it doesn't such talk become
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self-fulfilling yes but if it encourages
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people to prepare to endure the collapse
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perhaps we can salvage something more
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than we otherwise would how do we need
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to prepare stock up a survival Retreat
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somewhere that won't work for very many
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people most of us need to stare the
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world away from Warfare and tyranny and
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toward minimal constitutional government
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and private charity to one another we
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can revert to an all cash economy but
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not using fire currencies so can we
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return to a moderate level of debt and
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investment afterward is there is way to
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prevent a debt bubble like this one in
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the future perhaps but how to do that is
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the subject of a future conversation
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